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1 up and 2 down · Jul 16, 2008, 07:51 AM // 07:51

What if Night Fall happened? Would Abaddon have eradicated the Great Destroyer with his Margonites and his Generals? Also effectively stopping the Dragons from ever gaining power?* Or would have the great destroyer been able to take over the world and effectively wake up the Dragons like he was supposed too?

Discuss.

*I don't mean by stopping the Great Destroyer Abaddon would have stopped the dragons from gaining power. I mean that Abaddon would have been able to stop the dragons himself.

I Will Heal You Ally · Jul 16, 2008, 08:41 AM // 08:41

I'm not sure... I think the Great Destoyer would still kill Abaddon cuz he still look's like a dragon

, but ether way we defeated both so they were no match :P

miskav · Jul 16, 2008, 09:28 AM // 09:28

Well we'd be screwed either way, lol, Because that'd mean we failed at killing Abaddon and thus we must have died or been severely weakened.

Either way, Doooooooooomsday =3

oliverrr1989 · Jul 16, 2008, 10:15 AM // 10:15

I think most of the Elonians would have fled to safe spots in Cantha/Tyria whilst the world was being destroyed, then the GD would come out and the destroyers and margonites would have an epic battle with lots of humans killed in the crossfire...but yeah we'd be pretty much Screwed. Oh well...at least Palawa woulndt take over ^^

Mortal Amongst Mere Gods · Jul 16, 2008, 11:43 AM // 11:43

While I agree with what's been said here, OP's missing something: Nightfall did happen. I can't remember what mission it was around, I want to say it was around the part with The Hunger and Drought, but it was probably about the time of the Grand Court of Sebelkeh. Abaddon did break through the Realm of Torment into Elona (See: Nightfallen Garden). That was when we sought entrance into the Realm of Torment to beat him on his own turf.

Free Runner · Jul 16, 2008, 01:52 PM // 13:52

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Originally Posted by Mortal Amongst Mere Gods

While I agree with what's been said here, OP's missing something: Nightfall did happen. I can't remember what mission it was around, I want to say it was around the part with The Hunger and Drought, but it was probably about the time of the Grand Court of Sebelkeh. Abaddon did break through the Realm of Torment into Elona (See: Nightfallen Garden). That was when we sought entrance into the Realm of Torment to beat him on his own turf.

Actually Nightfall partially happened. It did not get to the scale Abaddon had hoped.

Ether way the world would of been screwed if both events had actually happened. Demons consuming the world on one end and Destroyers destroying the world on the other is never a good thing.

Konig Des Todes · Jul 16, 2008, 06:11 PM // 18:11

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Originally Posted by oliverrr1989

I think most of the Elonians would have fled to safe spots in Cantha/Tyria whilst the world was being destroyed, then the GD would come out and the destroyers and margonites would have an epic battle with lots of humans killed in the crossfire...but yeah we'd be pretty much Screwed. Oh well...at least Palawa woulndt take over ^^

Although it is not seen in game, Nightfall most likely happened in Cantha and Tyria. Nightfall was suppose to take over the world, but it started in Elona as that is where the strongest connection to Abaddon was.

Any place that had a portal made by Odran (such as the Battle Isles and Tombs of Primeval Kings) became Nightfallen, to an extent. The extent being the tendrils like in the Desolation, Tombs, and Fahranur showing up in those places, and surrounding places.

Back to on topic: If Abaddon succeeded in causing true Nightfall, then Dhuum and Menzies would have helped in any fight against the dragons. They would surely kill the Great Destroyer (as he was at full power, but Abaddon wasn't when we fought him). When the Dragons awake would be the true battle, and it would be 5+ Ancient Dragons vs 3 Fallen Gods vs 5 True Gods.

It would be cool to see, but what would end up happening would probably be (to go with the cheesiness of GW's story) that the Fallen Gods and the True Gods temporarily team up to put down the Ancient Dragons forever, then they go back to fighting amongst themselves.

With going with what actually happened. Nightfall will still probably be affecting the world in GW2. I wouldn't be surprised to see some tendrils around in the Desolation/Crystal Desert area. And until ANet has us kill Dhuum and Menzies, which sadly doesn't seem like it will happen, then we can always have 2 Fallen Gods vs 5+ Ancient Dragons.

Accursed · Jul 17, 2008, 01:33 AM // 01:33

I agree with Azazel up there ^. Nightfall had actually affected the world during the Nightfall storyline [I think it was first appeared in the Grand Court of Selbelkah]. We didn't actually see it, but there was probably small claws of torment around Tyria and Cantha.

cyber88 · Jul 17, 2008, 04:27 AM // 04:27

we could hope for a miracle like finding out that another prophecy (e.g. "Dayrise") if "Nightfall" did occur. (puns fully intended :P)

1 up and 2 down · Jul 17, 2008, 05:30 AM // 05:30

I guess I should have mentioned that I meant what if Night Fall had had affected the "Whole" world of Tyria. And Abaddon was in control.

draxynnic · Jul 17, 2008, 05:55 AM // 05:55

Certainly, if Abaddon had succeeded, he would have had a significant advantage against the Dragons - as the intent was essentially to pull the whole world into Torment. The dragons would have had the odds stacked heavily against them, while the whole world would have essentially become Abaddon's domain. We don't know enough to know who would win, but it certainly seems likely that the dragons would have been less of a threat to the post-Nightfall world than they are to the GW2 world.

On the other hand, humans may well have been extinct by the time the dragons woke up, and if not would certainly be, well, in torment, so as far as we're concerned it's a good thing it didn't happen. Better to have to face another evil later than to be destroyed by the first, after all, even if the first would have defeated the second had you not defeated it beforehand.

mazey vorstagg · Jul 17, 2008, 06:15 AM // 06:15

In the Garden and Nundu bay missions abbadon broke through into the real world. As Kormir explains, Nightfallen Jahai is a nightmarish copy of the Jahai bluffs which is trying to force itself through the ether and replace the actual Jahai bluffs.

So Nightfall happened a bit but we stopped it. However, if Nightfall had occured across the whole world I expect the Great Destroyer would have turned to stone or simply disappeared. My belief was that when Nightfall occured the world begame completely and utterly under the control of Abbadon, unless he wanted a dragon to survive he would have simply killed them with a thought.

Konig Des Todes · Jul 17, 2008, 06:52 AM // 06:52

Mazey, just a slight correction on your post. As it seems, the Nundu Bay mission never truly happened. Although it is hard to tell because of the vaugeness of the dialogue, but it seems that the mission takes place in Melonni's mind, in her dream if you will, not in reality. So it's not entirely accurate to say that the area there became nightfallen yet, but it was at least close and it was stopped. The Garden of Seborhin, however, was nightfallen.

Free Runner · Jul 17, 2008, 10:26 AM // 10:26

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Originally Posted by Warfare30

I agree with Azazel up there ^. Nightfall had actually affected the world during the Nightfall storyline [I think it was first appeared in the Grand Court of Selbelkah]. We didn't actually see it, but there was probably small claws of torment around Tyria and Cantha.

You see minor signs of Nightfall. The Tomb of the Primeval Kings had a good few "tainted" days where the Zaishan showed up and warned people not to enter the tournament, until the final day where Abaddons Tenticles burst through and it became fully corrupted and the Dragon Festival Invasion. You could say these are the areas where Nightfall would of fallen first.

Also we're not really clear on Nundu due to the cinematic at the end being the same for both missions.I noticed GmrLeon has issued the question to Linsey Murdock but no response on that has appeared.

viper11025 · Jul 17, 2008, 07:46 PM // 19:46

abadon NEVER got his full powers back, but assuming he did the dragons and abadon might fight for control then the other "gods" would get involved I bet until the universe of guild wars was consumed. The only safe place I can think of is factions but even there abadon had influence and I think 1 or 2 dragons can be found there.

Point being, could be the dragons vs. abadon, or abadon and the dragons vs. the other "gods".

Imagine that kind of epic battle.

kerpall · Jul 18, 2008, 01:47 AM // 01:47

What if all the main enemies were still alive :O ?

Shiro + shiroken vs Lich + undead vs Abbadon + margonites vs Great destroyer + destroyers vs The Mursaat ?

Could it be possible that Abbadon and shiro would simply claim their own land (ie: elona, cantha) ?

Leaving the real battles between the Lich + Mursaat + Great destroyer over tyria?

cyber88 · Jul 18, 2008, 02:57 AM // 02:57

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Originally Posted by kerpall

What if all the main enemies were still alive :O ?

Shiro + shiroken vs Lich + undead vs Abbadon + margonites vs Great destroyer + destroyers vs The Mursaat ?

Could it be possible that Abbadon and shiro would simply claim their own land (ie: elona, cantha) ?

Leaving the real battles between the Lich + Mursaat + Great destroyer over tyria?

well, they will hav 1 big orgy & we will juz tie up the loose end (defeat everything) i GW2

kerpall · Jul 18, 2008, 03:25 AM // 03:25

Orgy + Deep freeze + meteor shower = plot of GW2

Konig Des Todes · Jul 18, 2008, 03:26 AM // 03:26

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Originally Posted by kerpall

What if all the main enemies were still alive :O ?

Shiro + shiroken vs Lich + undead vs Abbadon + margonites vs Great destroyer + destroyers vs The Mursaat ?

Could it be possible that Abbadon and shiro would simply claim their own land (ie: elona, cantha) ?

Leaving the real battles between the Lich + Mursaat + Great destroyer over tyria?

Note: Shiro and the Lich work for Abaddon, they wouldn't fight each other. There are really two main enemies in all of GW. Abaddon+Menzies+Dhuum and Ancient Dragons. All others are "side enemies," yes even the Mursaat are simply "side enemies" just as the Shaman Caste in the Charr Legions.

Fishmonger · Jul 18, 2008, 06:25 AM // 06:25

If nightfall actually occurred I would foresee the prices of demonslaying mods rising to 100k+xxxxecto 0.o

but seriously, by the time Abaddon had enough strength to engulf all of Tyria in torment, either the dragons would rebel, the 5 gods would find another way, or something. Abaddon was weak as hell when we found him. For the time it would take him to get enough power to do that to even ONE part of tyria (think of how long it took him to weaken the bonds), the GD and dragons would overcome. Or we would. Or something. Point is, it wouldn't happen

(sry if it sounds kinda repetitive, bout to go to bed ^_^)